I recently had a long discussion with a friend of mine who is from Iran. She grew up there and lived through the nightmare of being bombed by Iraq during the war in the 1980’s. She has an amazing insight into the current state of affairs in the Middle East, including the United States invasion into Iraq. However, she and I disagreed quite strongly on this subject.
She currently lives in Colorado and performs a variety of tasks for civic organizations. I received this e-mail from her a week or so ago:
Dear Friends,
I am asking you to PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, do everything in your power to get people to VOTE. If this country ends up being run by more CRIMINALS, it is a DAMN SHAME that we didn’t do everything in our power to stop that from happening. So PLEASE practice the very right that many people gave their lives for, so that we may VOTE today!
I am a full time staff at PeaceJam and a student but I am also sitting outside of K-Mart or going door to door to get people registered after work. You would be surprised to see how many people, how many AMERICANS are not even registered to VOTE! I am not trying to suggest a party. I am just asking YOU to help this country go back to what it once was, a country of active citizens!
If you live in Colorado please contact me and i will tell you how we can get more people registered in the next six weeks before the elections.
Many thanks,
Pani
The word that caught me here was “criminal” which is why I highlighted it. The following is the e-mail conversation which ensued.
Joe
criminals?
Pani
Is taking hundreds of thousands of lives not criminal?
Joe
I’m no longer a Republican, but I don’t think we want to have this discussion. Especially considering who the US got rid of.
Pani
Shouldn’t you be saying I instead of We? Because i wouldn’t mind a discussion. Even then you can’t say that you don’t want to have this discussion but drop in a comment like that! lol which only calls for a discussion.
Joe
Well, our politics are quite different, but to call my president a criminal is frustrating Pani.
Pani
And to kill/displace thousands of innocent people is beyond frustrating my friend. It is simply a war crime, and very devastating!
Joe
One of the nations we attacked attacked us, the other ignored the UN resolutions, fought with20its neighbors (including your country) and was dangerous to world peace. The20U.S.’s biggest fault is also its biggest asset, it’s the only nation on earth willing to confront dictators. And while I think this thing should have been pursued along a different route, how many crying people in dungeons did Saddam put to death? How many more innocent Iraqi’s were going to due under him? Who would have brought him to justice Pani? Iran? The current leader of Iran is a psychopath and a region full of instability, which puts lawyers in jail, women to death and Christians in prison can’t start to shout “war crimes” because there is so much blood on its own hands.
Pani
It is impossible to think that Saddam was a danger to world peace and the U.S. is not right now! The U.S. ignores UN resolutions, International Courts, NPT…and many others. The issue is that the U.S. can’t stand it when someone else does any of those things and finds it it’s business to step foot where ever it wishes at whatever cost!
Yes, Saddam attacked my country but i along with the rest of the nation were taught to LOVE Iraqis, even when they were dropping bombs on our head! Because i had incredible parents who put HUMANITY first and foremost in everything! And today, Iranians have the decency to still not just like, but LOVE Americans! When they see an American on the street in Iran they bring them home and cook them meals and show them the Persian culture and are most hospitable. They still have the decency to separate the people and the government of America unlike the average American here who thinks that all Muslims, all Middle Easterns are evil because their president told them so!
As for the Iranian president, he is just a mirror image of Mr. Bush. A hard line religious politician, with the difference being that Iranian people do not believe everything he says and think for themselves instead. They at least know the map of the world, and can decide for themselves what is going on with world politics, not what they ar e being told by FOX! They live in a country who’s government burns America n flags and has “Death To America” slogans all over but you wouldn’t even know that when you meet a Persian in Iran because of how hospitable they are to an American!
As fo r Saddam, why is it that when the U.S. no longer wanted him, he needed to be brought to justice? Why didn’t the U.S. have a problem funding him with the very unjust war you mentioned against my country. Was it not the very Donald Rumsfeld who thought Saddam needs to be brought to Justice under the Bush administration, who visited Saddam many times during the Senior Bush Administration to provide him with weapons and funds for the war against Iran, knowing Saddam was using mustard gas against Iranians! Who provided Saddam with intelligence and satellite systems that could show him where our houses and schools were? I spend the first eight years of my life in black outs because with the wonderful technology America had provided Saddam, he was successfully bombing all our schools and hospitals! Why did the U.S. not have a problem with him being unjust then? But all of a sudden he had to be brought to justice years later when he was of no good use to the U.S. anymore!
I spent the first eight years of my life in the most horrible state a child can have under war, but never came out of it hating Iraq, or America! My parents never allowed me to think that just because someone was awful to me i had the right to be awful to them! I don’t know about your religious beliefs right now, but we didn’t have to be Christians to be that way! We just were human, and if you are human you will know that there is NO EXCUSE for taking a life, NO MATTER WHAT.
Sometimes20i think anti-abortion people are so amusing to watch and listen to. They fight for the life of an unborn fetus so that they can put it under death penalty or drop a bomb on its head years later! Such a=2 0paradox.
And by the way Joe, discussion is the only way to take down the ideology walls that are causing for people to fight, and shed blood for centuries now. So please know that i am always open and would like to have discussions because i think it’s important for you to hear my views and experiences just as it is for me to hear yours!
Joe
First off, way too many exclamation points, but that’s a grammar issue, not really on our topic.
Secondly, let me say that I am no fan of Rumsfeld or Cheney, and my distaste for George W. Bush has grown. That being said, you paint a picture of Americans being sheep, and yet the compassionate people of Iran have allowed three decades of religious dictators to run their nation. I am overwhelmed with how little you think of the people who welcomed you with open arms when your own country forced you to leave. I don’t defend Fox News or the average voter, but you are painting a very black and white picture of Iran being a place of loving people, and history just isn’t on your side on that one. I am in no way saying20your family is evil, or that most Iranians are evil, rather that the idea of every Iranian spends their day waiting for me with a bowl of soup to taste isn’t Kosher.
I am well aware that for about fifty years the CIA has run some pretty despicable programs in my country and many other countries. It’s shameful that my government has supported dictators that it then had to remove. What people usually forget however was the alternative America was given at the time. For example, Hugo Chavez in Venezuela is trying to become an elected king. He’s ruining his own nation (as I’ve heard from Venezuelans, not Americans) and is ready to provoke a war in his country, his continent and his hemisphere that will lead to disaster. Were this the 1950’s, America probably would have backed some other leader who was slightly less ominous. In Iraq/Iran, the choice between Saddam and the Iatola (sic?) wasn’t a great choice at all, and considering the U.S. interests in the region, a choice had to be made.
One may argue “what right does the U.S. have to back any leader, or overthrow any leader, in a given country.” I understand that argument, but some of those same people bitch when the U.S. doesn’t get involved in Rwanda, Sudan, Myanmar and other nations where atrocities are being carried out. I have rejected the neo-conservative notion that America can cure the world of evil, but when atomic weapons and weapon capabilities are being sold to Iran , Syria and other unstable/aggressive governments, what is the United States supposed to do? Bill Clinton could have ended Osama’s life and saved thousands of Americans, yet had he killed him, the rest of the world might have said “Clinton killed a freedom fighter.” This is the world we live in, America just can’t win.
As far as the U.N., the United States is the only nation on earth with enough guts and moral authority to get in another nation’s way when it oversteps its bounds. Question may be “who are we to be that force on earth?” Well, if it has to be someone, pick a better nation? Canada? China? France? Iran? Russia? And if you argue that no nation should have that power, you’re accepting that Sudans and Rwandas and Iraqs and other nations with murderous dictators should be allowed to murder their own people without provocation.
I don’t pretend to have all the answers, I don’t pretend that Americans are right and everyone else is wrong and I don’t pretend that what is going on in Iraq is 100% right. I will say this, those who think Iraq was 100% the right move are just not paying attention, and those who think Iraq was 100% the wrong move are naive.
Pani
Yes, way too many grammar and spelling mistakes but that is not what matters in this case at least. lol Since there are other important issues at hand.
This is why discussion is great because now i see we have more in common than differences. I have a great quote here on my desk from Marjaneh Satrapi “The world is not divided into countries. The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don’t know each other, but we talk together and we understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. An the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.” Then i added my own to it saying “Those committing crimes in my government wear turbans and those committing crimes in your government wear ties, and on the inside they both lack human empathy”.
I said average American. Joe, people in LA welcomed me with open arms. Have you tried being a Middle Eastern woman in any other state other than CA and NY? Things are a bit different my friend. I mean even poor Corrine at one point said “I would much rather we visit you, i just worry if you came to visit us here, people would stare at you or treat you poorly”. And yes, i appreciate the amazing Americans who take the time to educate themselves and find out things for themselves by making friends with people like me and asking us what Islam is, or what the people in the middle east are really like. I respect and admire these Americans. For instance Zoriah’s family or my mother’s husband…
I also don’t think that one nation should have the authority that you speak of. It needs to be a committee of many nations representing the combination of the people in this world, working toward a common goal that is the well being of every human being on this earth. It is only through this that each individual and nation can be responsible for their fair share of hard work without one super power taking all the glory or blames for most things that take place in the world.
I guess you would only ha ve to go to Iran and experience it for yourself. But they not only have a bowl of soup ready for you but don’t eat their own food and put it in front of you. Even the poorest families do this. It is a cultural thing, a guest is highly respected in that culture because it is even said in Islam that God rewards those who welcome guests in to their homes with open arms. So they don’t just have that toward Americans they are generally a hospitable nation. It was the first nation that gave rights to the Jews and is still one of the biggest melting pots of different ethnicities, religions and cultures. Bahais, Zorastrians, Jews, Muslims, Christians… have all been living there for centuries. There is no clash between the people; we have all lived in friendship with each other for hundreds of years. This is only a clash created by governments and war profiteers!
Anyway, i enjoyed our talk. I remember you said you were working on a book. What’s it about? How is it coming along?
What do you guys think?